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[COMSOL_Users] Compressed air projectile launcher
djtrader10@yahoo.com [COMSOL_Users]
2014-05-30 21:41:58 UTC
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All,

An interesting and fun problem was posed today that seemed suited to a COMSOL model. The basic problem is launching a ping pong ball (or any suitable projectile) down a plastic tube propelled by a bolus of compressed air.

The embodiment would consist of a tube of some length. A thin viscoelastic deformable ring disposed circumferentially just slightly smaller that the ball diameter, would prevent the ball from rolling out.

A sealed, sliding window would allow placement of the ball into a chamber. The proximal end of the tube would be sealed with a fitting to couple air into the chamber.

When a pressure pulse is applied to the chamber via the fitting, the ping pong ball would overcome the soft seal (viscoelastic ring) at a certain pressure progressing down the tube exiting at some velocity.

For modeling this seemingly simple scenario, several questions come to mind:

1) How many physics are involved?
2) Is CFD needed for modeling air resistance (compressible flow) against the ball as it travels along the tube length?
3) How to model the plastic deformation of the viscoelastic seal as the ball passes through?
4) Are equations of motion required similar to what is needed if a trace particle is released in a CFD flow model?
5) What if the gas is not air? Does that matter?
6) Is a moving mesh needed?
7) How to account for friction as the ball moves along the tube?

What the model could ultimately provide answers to would be:
- Exit velocity of the ball
- Exit energy of the ball
- How does the shape if not a ball effect the velocity and energy characteristics? Pointed projectile?

This probably sounds like a crazy model, however, any help in any way would be greatly appreciated. Certainly if anyone has some ideas and would like to start on a model, that would be really great. :-)

Thanks,

Art
akmal hidayat hidayat_akm@yahoo.de [COMSOL_Users]
2014-06-18 08:25:46 UTC
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Hi Art,
1) CFD, Stucture Dymanic, Mesh movement (ALE or something like it)

2) Yes
3) structure dynamic, elasticity necessary
4) i dont know how trace particle works.
5) no
6) yes, as the ball moves
7) only ball to fluid friction but not friction to tube.

it would be a nice hobby (if you cannot find someone to pay you for this effort).



"***@yahoo.com [COMSOL_Users]" <***@yahoogroups.com> schrieb am 23:46 Freitag, 30.Mai 2014:



 
All,

An interesting and fun problem was posed today that seemed suited to a
COMSOL model. The basic problem is launching a ping pong ball (or any
suitable projectile) down a plastic tube propelled by a bolus of
compressed air.

The embodiment would consist of a tube of some length. A thin
viscoelastic deformable ring disposed circumferentially just slightly
smaller that the ball diameter, would prevent the ball from rolling out.

A sealed, sliding window would allow placement of the ball into a
chamber. The proximal end of the tube would be sealed with a fitting to
couple air into the chamber.

When a pressure pulse is applied to the chamber via the fitting, the
ping pong ball would overcome the soft seal (viscoelastic ring) at a
certain pressure progressing down the tube exiting at some velocity.

For modeling this seemingly simple scenario, several questions come to mind:

1) How many physics are involved?
2) Is CFD needed for modeling air resistance (compressible flow) against the ball as it travels along the tube length?
3) How to model the plastic deformation of the viscoelastic seal as the ball passes through?
4) Are equations of motion required similar to what is needed if a trace particle is released in a CFD flow model?
5) What if the gas is not air? Does that matter?
6) Is a moving mesh needed?
7) How to account for friction as the ball moves along the tube?

What the model could ultimately provide answers to would be:
- Exit velocity of the ball
- Exit energy of the ball
- How does the shape if not a ball effect the velocity and energy characteristics? Pointed projectile?

This probably sounds like a crazy model, however, any help in any way
would be greatly appreciated. Certainly if anyone has some ideas and
would like to start on a model, that would be really great. :-)

Thanks,

Art

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